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, I talk about why I thought, why I was
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to the papacy, and I also talk about why
we kind of did get Pope Sarah as a pope.

Interesting.

I.

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damage done to the church during the
pontificate of Pope Francis, and why

that should serve as a warning through
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Pope Leo tonight, I cannot believe it.

I'm gonna talk to you a little bit
about, uh, my thoughts, my reactions,

and a warning, a warning about Pope Leo.

I'm going to tell you why the pontificate
of Pope Francis, or why there was a

great deal of damage done to the church
during the pontificate of Pope Francis.

Let's put it that way.

Great deal of damage done to the
church during Francis Pontificate,

and it's not what you think.

And tied to that, I'm gonna warn you about
the pontificate of Pope Leo the 14th.

Speaking of numbers, this is May
11th of the year of our Lord 2025.

And I thank you for joining me.

This is going out live on Substack.

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Lot of passion, lot of
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Nice guy, but always Mr.

Good Guy.

We're gonna talk tonight about
the pontificate of polio.

Let's fade that music out.

I have to tell you, first, let me
share with you, um, let me share

with you how this happened for me.

I was at work and there was
someone strolling through

the office saying, smoke.

White smoke.

I said, really?

And I ran and I turned on, turned
on the news on my computer and

sure enough there was white smoke.

Now I remember this preventive, the
16th election, and then for Pope

Francis election, and I still had
those hairs stand up, you know?

And I was still feeling like
electricity all over my body.

Like, oh my God, there's a new pope.

There's a new pope.

You know?

And then the anticipation,
who's it gonna be?

Who's it gonna be?

And I have to tell you, I was praying
that it would be Cardinal Sarah.

Well, praying, I think I said like,
once, you know, Lord, if it's your will,

I, I, I would really love for it to be
Cardinal Sarah, if that's who you want.

You have my support if
that's who you want.

Um, 'cause I don't want to tell
the Lord how to pick the Pope or

how to guide the cardinal electors
in, in choosing the Pope, you know?

But I did wanna put that out there.

That may or may not surprise you
because I was reluctant to tell

you folks who my pick would be.

I was reluctant to do that.

I withheld my opinion, but that's
who I wanted was Cardinal Sarah.

I might, I might have let that
slip and slide out there a little

bit, um, because it's not a lie.

I mean, it was the truth, you know, I
might have let it slip out there, but

I, if, if I did, I sure didn't work it.

I was sure kind of subtle about it.

Maybe, maybe if, if I even got direct.

I didn't push it hard, you know, I just
said it was sort of like in passing.

Now we're waiting an hour.

Everything moves slow in the
church, including carting out

the new Pope after he's elected.

Everything moves slow in the church,
so we're waiting about an hour now.

Here he comes.

The crowd was going wild.

I wasn't, you know, I was glued
to the screen for about 55 minutes

and then, uh, I kind of tried to get back
to work and just listen to the background.

Every time that crowd started,
hooting, hollering, uh, I, I

rushed back to the screen first.

The crowd starts howling.

This guy comes out, uh, I don't
know, one of these two guys.

I don't remember who it was.

And, okay, he's making the announcement.

Okay.

And I know just enough Latin that I was
able to understand what he was saying.

Plus, I guess I had heard it three
times, so maybe it stuck with me.

Now he starts reciting the name
and the first name he recites

the, the, the birth name of the,
of the, the man who got elected.

He starts saying the name,
first thing he says is Robert.

And I was like, oh my God.

I was like a girl seeing
Michael Jackson in the eighties.

Oh my god.

Michael, touch my hand, Michael.

And then the next names
he said, were not Sarah.

And man, I was bummed out first.

I was just disappointed.

'cause the guy you want is
the guy you want, you know?

Or the guy you'd like
is the guy you'd like.

And it wasn't the guy that
I was hoping it would be.

And then this guy gets carted out and I'm
thinking not because of him, not because

of how he looks, nothing like that.

But it just further drove the
stake through my heart that

it wasn't Cardinal Sarah.

This guy was not an African, he wasn't,
not that I care about skin color, but you

know, the visual kind of drives it home.

Here's a white guy.

He's definitely not Cardinal Sarah.

Then I thought, Hey,
he's wearing the red ves.

And in a second I'm gonna
compare my experience to, uh, the

experience I had with Pope Francis.

He's not wearing, he's,
he's wearing the red ves.

Hey, this guy doesn't
look terrified at all.

He looks truly happy.

And, and I'm sure he's scared
'cause he's the, he's the pope now.

Okay.

He was, he went from being a missionary
priest, and I know he did administration

and stuff like that, but in his
heart, he's a missionary priest.

Now he's the pope.

That's big.

That's a big transition.

So I'm sure he's, he's humbled.

I'm sure he's a little, I
don't know, feels unworthy.

Maybe he's frightened.

No, no nervous, whatever.

But he looks happy, he looks at peace.

And I really have to tell
you, I liked this guy's mug.

There's something about his face,
there's something about that smile.

And it's not the physical I.

Part of it.

It's what is being conveyed in
this expression on his face.

A gentle but confident humility.

And I'm not saying this to diminish
Pope Francis, but the, there were two

things that worried me immediately
when Pope Francis was elected and

he, he came out under the balcony.

One, no red vestments.

I did not, I immediately
did not like that.

I did not like that.

Okay.

He's so humble that he doesn't
wanna wear the red vestments.

He doesn't wanna make
a big deal of himself.

I get it.

But we want it to be made a big deal of
the people need to see that the world

outside the church needs to see that.

I think it's my opinion.

It's not right or wrong, it's my opinion.

Okay.

That bothered me.

The other thing that scared me is
Pope Francis comes out and he looks

terrified waving to the people he looks.

That was my immediate thought.

My God.

He looks absolutely terrified.

Absolutely terrified.

It's not a knock against him.

I'm telling you my subjective opinion
and that worried me that maybe

I could say it disappointed me.

I'm not comparing one saying
one is better than the other.

I'm saying how they were different for
me in my experience on the day of their

election, their respective elections.

Backing up a little bit, I just wanna
mention something that Ellis said.

Ellis in the chat room here at
Substack said, this may sound awful.

However, I don't think I've
paid much attention to the

conclave or new pontificate.

As with Pope Francis, I think the best
test of anyone, Pope or not this time.

I agree with that.

He also says, I like how
happy everyone looked.

It's nice to see some joy in the church.

I agree with that too.

And I am with you.

I have not been, and this is why I wanted
to back up to this comment and read it.

Now I've not been all over
Catholic news, all over secular.

I really haven't been like, what the
Pope say next, what the Pope say next.

I sometimes bump into things on socials
and I'm gonna cover something in a, in

a minute that I found on socials that
really like made my heart flutter.

But yeah, I agree.

The true test of a pope is time because
I think Pope Francis found his legs.

He was also still the Pope Francis,
who would not wear the red vests.

He was still that kind of standoffish on
those traditional trappings, but where

he looked terrified, truly terrified when
he was elected, I believe he found his

legs and he was looking more confident.

You know, true the test.

The real test is time.

The real test is time.

Hello to Travis and hello to
Jack by the way, while I'm at it.

Joining me here in the
live show here on Substack.

This is the Catholic Experience Podcast,
or the Catholic Adventurer Podcast.

I really have to sort that out and I
thank you very much for joining me.

So now, immediately, and I, and
I'm almost ashamed to admit this,

when Pope Francis was elected, I
had no idea who George Belia was.

No idea.

I'd never heard of him in my life.

So he steps out and I'm like, so
first my, I'm disappointed 'cause

I don't know who this guy is.

For me.

This guy's a nobody now, not
that he is a nobody, I'm saying

for me, I don't know him.

So I start Googling him and doing
a couple of other searches from

other, some other sources that I had.

And I was like, uh, I don't know.

I just don't know about this guy.

He doesn't excite me, you know?

And I.

I am not, I am not being critical
of the Pope Pope Francis.

Rather, I'm telling you what my
feeling was and what my feeling

was when Leo was elected.

Okay?

So I was like, uh, I don't
know about this guy right away.

Uh, Cardinal Privos comes, comes out.

Now he's Pope Leo and
I start Googling him.

'cause I really don't
know who he is either.

I know him a little bit more than I
knew Jorge Bolio, but I don't really

know who this Robert Pre Prevost is.

Not really, I didn't
see anything exciting.

I didn't see anything disappointing.

He was almost, almost like a specter.

He didn't really leave
much of a fingerprint.

Jorge bag did.

Robert Privos didn't.

I thought, Hmm, I wish I could find
something there that excited me.

Not, not objectively, but
subjectively, but I didn't.

All I have now is the man in front of me.

And then he started speaking.

You know, it's funny, he started
speaking and the audio was

out of sync with the video.

So I heard audio first before he,
his lips started moving, started.

And it's funny, my first thought
was, oh, that's a nice voice

because I'm a broadcaster.

I think about these things.

Oh, that's a nice voice.

They should be the spokesman.

They should be the
spokesperson for the Vatican.

That's a nice voice.

And then as the audio and video started to
link up, I realized, oh, that's his voice.

I liked his voice.

I liked his gentle confidence.

He had his, he has a gentle
confidence about him.

I like that very much.

He speaks perfect Latin.

He speaks perfect Italian.

Love it, love it, love it.

I don't care that he's American.

I really don't.

But I do like that he
speaks fluent English.

I like that.

But here's the thing.

He opens his speech with peace be
with you and his speech in general.

I really, um, liked, I, I was
hoping to be able to, to get more

of who he is from that speech.

I really didn't.

That's okay.

I was hoping that there would be
things in between the lines that

I could read, but there weren't.

Maybe that's a good thing.

And I was still disappointed
that it wasn't Cardinal Sarah.

But the more and more this sank in, I
just felt more and more drawn to Pope Leo.

There was just something about him
that I'm like, I don't know, man.

This, this feels good.

There's something about this
pontiff that feels good.

Maybe it's psychological.

Maybe I'm a nut job.

Well, there's no, maybe to that one.

Maybe it's psychological.

Maybe it is spiritual.

I, I, I don't know, but there's just
something about him and I'm really

very excited for this new pontificate.

And really, no matter what he says
or does, I'm going to be behind

him unless he teaches heresy.

Um, so it's not like, well, I'm going
to be behind it because now I like him.

It's not that.

And to be honest, with Pope Francis, I
had no opinion of him at all for a while.

Didn't know the guy wasn't too,
I wasn't too excited about what

I was seeing in the Googling.

So I had, I really had
no opinion of him at all.

But this guy, I'm, I, I'm drawn to.

The other thing is too, he reminds
me a lot of Pope John Paul ii.

His face is John Paul ii.

He looks a lot like, he
looks to me like John Paul.

The, the features, the,
or the characteristics.

Look like John Paul ii.

He speaks a little.

John Paul II had a tremendous
voice, tremendous, tremendous voice.

He doesn't have that tremendous voice.

He doesn't have that presence.

But there is that, that
that smooth gentleness and

again, a confident humility.

A strength, though it's a gentleness,
you can be strong and gentle.

There's a strength and
gentleness to his voice.

That also reminds me of John Paul.

I second

was, I surprised it was an American.

Yes, I was very surprised it
was an American, but lemme

tell you why that intrigues me.

This was a sneak attack by
the Holy Spirit, my friends.

This is absolutely a sneak
attack by the Holy Spirit first

because nobody saw it coming

second because he's an American.

Those two might be intertwined,
but I do see them separately.

I do see them separately.

He's an American.

Nobody saw it coming.

And I think most of the pundits
and experts and the sort of,

almost kind of maybe experts like
me, didn't see that one coming.

Not because he's an American,
but because of his record.

He just didn't blip on the radar.

Okay.

But here's the other thing.

The Cardinal electors elected a Pope
who had only been Cardinal for a year.

They barely know him.

Now, he's not a stranger, okay?

But most of those cardinals know
each other better than the body

of Cardinals know Robert Privot.

Some of them like Cardinal Dolan,
have been Cardinals for a long time.

I know Francis added a good bit as
Cardinals died, re, re resigned, whatever.

But still, most of them know each other
fairly well, better than they know Robert

Prevost and they elected him anyway.

And, and I'm gonna tell you
my professional opinion.

It's my opinion, but it's
a professional opinion.

I know how this stuff works.

There are better pundits than pundits
than I am better pundits, than I am

better informed in closer proximity,
in closer proximity to things that

go on deep behind the curtain.

I know behind the curtain
pretty well sort of deep.

There are people who know it better, okay?

So I'm not saying I'm the
expert, but I'm pretty good.

Okay?

So this is my professional opinion
for Cardinals to vote for someone

they don't know as well as the others.

You just don't see that in the church.

They want you to be tested.

They want you to be proven.

They wanna see how you stand.

They wanna see if you fall.

They don't, they don't.

Cardinal electors, don't vote.

For a cardinal who's only been around,
has a cardinal for one year, is

it possible they all, many of them
knew him pretty well, even though

he wasn't a cardinal for a year.

Yeah.

That, of course, that's possible.

But still cardinal for a year in the
church, that usually doesn't happen.

You don't have to flip
a coin for that one.

That's, that's kind of,
that's kind of arithmetic.

That just doesn't happen.

It's just like an unwritten
rule, and yet they elected him.

So, boy, I, I always say the
Holy Spirit is full of surprises

and boy did he prove it.

Again, I thought Cardinal Ser would've
made a good follow up to Pope Francis

because, and I'm being very straight
and honest with you, I thought Pope

Francis was too loose with his lips.

I have always said he's a good theologian.

He's a bad communicator.

I have have also always said he looks a
little too much on the temporal plane.

I wish he would incorporate
more the celestial plane.

Yes, it's the poor and the
needy and the marginalized.

Okay, I get that.

But once you go to climate, which
I'm nature is another creation man,

is to subdue it but not dominate it.

I'm not anti care for the climate,
but it's like, okay, holy father.

All right.

Alright.

The poor, the marginalized.

Okay, but you're starting
to lose me with the climate.

If you want us to be a attentive
to the climate, okay, you can

like say that sort of thing, but
don't like make a big deal of it.

Please don't, because we have
heretics in the church and I really

wish you'd take care of that.

Sometimes we have shoddy
masses in the church.

I really wish you'd do something
about that because the climate

will heal itself, but this won't.

You need to do something about that.

Folks, everyone has
their priorities, okay?

Everyone has their priorities.

Do you have yours?

I have mine.

Sometimes they may be aligned
and sometimes they may differ.

Each of us is unique.

We'll all have our priorities.

I don't think taking care of the
earth is like a non-issue, but for

the Holy Father, it was a as big
a priority as caring for the poor.

I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just saying
that's not the direction I would've gone.

So I liked Cardinal ER because
like Pope Francis, he had a good,

he has a good pastoral heart.

He's, he's definitely a very pastoral
priest, just as Pope Francis was.

Pope Francis approached the papacy as a
pastor, not a theological rock star, okay?

I thought Cardinal Sarah
could do that, but.

Without being a sharp change from
Pope Francis, a car, a cardinal.

Sarah could at least reel things in a
little bit, reel things in a little bit.

Don't just talk about the
sele, the, the, the temporal.

Let's get people remembering
about the eternal plane as well.

The world to come, the
life to come and so on.

I'm sure this Pope will have a few
things to say about the climate too,

because he did as a cardinal, but
I think he's also going to have a

few things to say that Pope Francis
sometimes shied away from things

about gender, family, stuff like this.

The Pope was very Catholic in
those things, but he didn't often

plant a flag in there, at least
not in front of a microphone.

He did in his theology, he.

But not in front of a microphone.

So I thought in a cardinal, Sarah, we
would have the best of both worlds.

We would have a Pope Francis,
but we would also get a little

bit of a John Paul ii, you know?

But here's what's funny.

I think that's exactly
what we got in Pope Leo.

Pope Leo Hope.

Leo, being a missionary priest has
demonstrated that he has a pastoral heart.

He comes off like he has a pastoral heart.

He comes off like he wants.

He wants to be among the people.

He loves the people.

He wants to go out and get the
people like a good shepherd, right?

But he also comes off a little
bit, not as deep as John Paul

ii, at least I don't think so.

Not from what I've seen.

But he, as a Canon
lawyer, he's very precise.

He's a very, very, very,
very clear communicator.

Love it.

Quite frankly, and this is no secret,
I've always said this, Pope Francis

was not, and, and stick with me.

By the way, if you're, if you're
thinking, I wish he'd stopped

comparing him to Pope Francis.

I'm, I'm really not.

Stick with me for a second.

Very clear communicator, very precise.

And his approach to theology
appears to be pretty rich.

Rt, someone who's pastoral, who's
also a good a, a a, appears to be a

very good communicator, very precise
in his thought, very precise in

what he says and how he says it.

I've seen a couple of things that
he said, by the way, very precise,

and let's just say I feel like
the doctrine is in his blood.

I'm not saying Pope Francis was not
about the doctrine, but he, he, he,

he, I would say for Pope Francis,
it was his skin, which is fine.

I'm not saying it's wrong, but for
Pope Leo, it's more in his blood.

And that's kind of what I favor.

I kind of favor that.

Hello to Mills Baker, John Lawrence.

John Lawrence showed up
here from the eighties.

You might remember John Lawrence.

He was in a movie called The Karate Kid.

Uh, very mean guy.

He was a very mean guy.

John Lawrence, he was in Cobra Kai.

You know, fear does not
exist and this dojo does it.

And John Lawrence will say No sensei.

Um, but John Lawrence has mellowed
out since those days in receipt of

California, and now he's joining us here.

He's joining me.

Catholic adventurer
here, live on Substack.

Thank you for joining me, John Lawrence,

and hello to Mills Baker.

God bless you brother.

And Mills.

Baker says, Hey there,
appreciate this analysis.

Thank you, uh, mills, I appreciate
that because I can't read minds and

I liked, I like feedback, so I know
that if I'm, if I'm, I'm here to

serve and I need to know if I'm doing
that well or adequately or poorly.

So thank you.

All right now.

I'm not really comparing and, and I, and
I'm not someone who does that anyway.

I'm more of a, if you don't have anything
good to say about somebody, don't say

it at all, especially if they're dead.

That's more my style.

There have been things I have refrained
from saying that I want it to say,

because I don't want it to be interpreted
as he's comparing him to Pope Francis,

because I do feel like it's a little
disrespectful and, and just like tacky.

But the truth is they
are two different people.

And so point out how they're
different isn't tacky.

If you can do it respectfully.

Okay.

I'll give you give, to give you an
example right now, can I tell you

when the Holy Father, Pope Francis
came out on that balcony without the

vestments, there were a couple of
like traditional things that, that

right outta the gate he was not doing.

And I really did not like that.

I really, really did not like that.

I'm not one for superficiality,
but there is something substantial

in the trappings sometimes.

Sometimes, sometimes it's not essential,
and I think sometimes it, even if it's

not essential, it's still important.

When the whole world is watching,
it's the new Pope, right?

This is the first time they're seeing
you when the whole world is watching.

I want the Holy Father to be
as Catholic as the Last Supper.

Super, super, super Catholic.

As everything that says Catholic church, I
want displayed on that balcony everything.

Huge bet.

If you can summon angels to manifest and
fly around your head, do that as Catholic

as you can make it because the world is
on you and the world needs a reminder.

The world has an
opportunity to be reminded.

Of what God has made when he, when
he established the Holy Catholic

church, the beacon of truth, the
beacon of good, the gateway to heaven.

The world has an opportunity
to be reminded of that, to be

inspired by that in this moment.

And I was very disappointed that
Pope Francis didn't tow that line.

Now we're in the desert.

Pope Francis again and again is
maybe the best way to say it, is

shying away from traditional things.

I don't mean doctrine or anything
like that, I just mean things

like, um, traditional customs
that you'd see from the Pope,

traditional garb, stuff like that.

And I was consistently, uh, I felt a
little let down, but he's the pope.

So my attitude was, okay, holy
Father, I'll go there with you.

I'm going where you're going.

If that's where you're
going, I'll go there with you

and I will in my heart, let go.

At least for now, maybe forever.

Let go of my love of these things.

If that's where you're going,
holy Father, that's where I'll go.

I'll go with you.

I don't like it.

I don't like it,

but I'm a good soldier.

That's where you're going.

Holy Father, I will go with you.

So that's where the Holy Father went
for the duration of his pontificate,

and that's where I followed.

Then I let it go.

My need, my thirst for these, I don't
even wanna say traditional things

because of the implications of that
word, but I'll say these old school

things, I found my legs with that.

Okay, it's a little bare, it's a little
dry, but okay, holy Father, if that's

where you're going, I'll go with you.

And I found my legs with that.

I was at peace with that,
with having let go of that.

Actually, as I'm talking about it,
I'm realizing how much I learned

in the, in the course of letting
that go and continuing to let it

go and to focus on something else.

I can't enumerate it now.

It's just now dawning on me.

But I, I learned a lot from that.

But in my heart, I still
value those old timey things.

Those traditional things.

So lemme tell you, my heart
skipped a beat as I saw what

I'm about to share with you now.

Hallelujah.

Hallelu

Maria.

Hallelujah.

We are so very unbelievable.

Thank you.

Holy Father.

My heart skipped a beat because
that's the sort of thing that I love,

not for the superficiality of it.

'cause some people are about the
superficiality, it's about the

remembrance of where we came from,

which defines who we are truly.

You wanna do that in Italian?

You wanna do that in Chinese?

I'm there with you.

Holy Father.

But I think it's detrimental to Catholic
identity and to the lowercase C Church.

If we abandon these things across the
board, they, I, I feel, it's my opinion,

these things have to be present somewhere.

These things serve as a remembrance of
who we were, where we came from, how we

got here, and they guide who we are today.

You understand the
remembrance of these things.

They're, they're, they're not essential.

That prayer is efficacious,
whether sung or spoken chanted

in Latin or recited in Korean.

Doesn't it have a different flavor?

Doesn't it hit your ears and your
heart a little different when it's

Catholicism at a hundred proof?

It does, right?

I would caution against
falling in love with that.

So that sort of thing, so much
that it becomes essential for you.

I would strongly caution against that
because the Lord will not grant it.

The Lord will trust me on this one.

The Lord will not grant it.

And if you need that to survive, the Lord
will allow you to starve to death in order

to force you to find sustenance elsewhere.

So love it, appreciate it.

Whether that sort of thing, the
manifestation of our history happens

frequently or infrequently or not at all.

Love it when you find it,
but be prepared to let it go.

Don't be attached to it, but say thank
you to God for the moments that it

manifested, its surfaces and it reminds
you who we are, where we came from,

because that remembrance is a thing.

It's a something.

It's not a nothing, but don't
get it to it attached to it.

Do you understand in the chat room?

If that doesn't make sense, let me
know because if it's, if you are

confused about it, the on-demand
audience will be confused about it too.

So if that doesn't make sense,
let me know in a second.

I'm going to tell you why there was so
much damage done to the church during

the pontificate event of Pope Francis and
why it's, it should serve as a warning

under the pontificate of Pope Leo.